Friday, October 31, 2008

Weird happenings

Lately at work (Hollister), I've been finding myself in more and more spiritual conversations.  Most of them not started by me, but by the people who just suddenly decide to randomly ask me questions.

So one conversation I had was the "debate" between Creationism vs. Evolutionism.
It started when I was just doing my work normally, and there was this girl who was working on an overlapping shift at the back with me.  So she decides to start the conversation with:
Girl: "Hi, what highschool did you go to?"  
Jon: "AY Jackson" 
Girl: "Never heard of it
Jon: "It's a public school in north york"
Girl: "Oh, I go to a catholic school, but I don't believe in the Catholic ways"
Jon *intrigued*
Jon "So what do you believe in then?"
Girl "I believe in Evolutionism!"
Jon *chuckles* "So why do you believe in evolutionism rather than creationism?"
Girl "I don't know, you need to ask me specific questions"
Jon *thinks to self... didn't i just ask you a question?"
        "So give me an example of evolution"
Girl "Ummm.... you know the fish that live at the bottom of the sea? They had to evolve so that they can survive in that environment in the water pressure, lack of light, and stuff like that"
Jon "So, you're saying that fish originated from shallow water?"
Girl "NO! i'm just saying they evolved to that"
Jon *wonders.. wheres the logic in that???*
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*more chatting that is similar to the illogical argument above*
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Jon "So in school you learned all about creation and stuff right?"
Girl "Yea but I don't believe in that bullsh*t and I think Evolutionism explain things better"

Throughout the entire conversation I picked out a couple of things:
- People believe in what they want to believe.
- People are illogical/stupid
- She might have a negative past experience

But neway, that was that.  Interesting conversation.  Not very smart girl.

So last night, my manager was being really pmsy, and he was complaining about how he had to work alot tomorrow and asked why I couldn't work on Fridays.  I told him I had church to go to. He was quite shocked and asked Why i was going to church and goes on to explain how his mother's ex-boyfriend made him go attend a mass when he was a kid and forced him to miss the Finals for his soccer game with his friends and thus letting all his friends down.  He also explained that when he was a kid, he loved soccer and it brought joy to him.  So he goes on to explain how he thinks that what brought him joy also brought God "joy" and that religeon is just another form of slavery.
After hearing his story, I asked him: "So if some guy finds joy in mass murder, does that mean by killing other people, that will bring "joy" to God?"
He replies by saying that the guy who find joy in killing people is sick and doesn't bring "joy" to God.  Logically speaking... its the same.  But of course doing what gives you joy doesn't always give joy to God.



Final thoughts:
Among both of the conversations I've had, they both had a question that most people who don't (or refuse) to believe ask:
"Why does God allow all these bad things to happen to people, like earthquakes, hurricanes and stuff to happen?"

I'll leave this question for people to comment on.

2 comments:

Anonymous said...

in hte bible it speaks of trials and tribulations as stepping stones towards becoming a better and stronger christian.. allowing us to rely more heavily on God. That all things are part of GOds divine plan and serve a purpose unseen and incomprehensible for a human, but unquestionably perfect.

I however, always struggle with such justifications as they always seem too convenient if you know what i mean.... which is me in a nutshell always trying to reason myself out of faith.

-Brian Tse

bryan133 said...

That's cool dude. God's obviously using you to help others get to know him and in result help you know him better too.

Keep it going. God's badass like that.